" So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another."
1 Coorinthians 12:12-13 says,
"For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body,
being many, are one body: so also is Christ. For by one Spirit are we all baptized
into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free;
and have been all made to drink into one Spirit."
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Celebrate Recovery has been around now for years. How did it come to be? What is is it?
The year was in 1991 when a man named John Baker, inspired by Rick Warren preaching at Saddleback church wrote a 13 page letter to Rick Warren about the vision God gave him for creating what now has become "Celebrate Recovery," a 12 Step recovery program formulated for Christians. John Baker, according to the article at Saddleback.com, said he was unable to share about his faith in Jesus Christ at his "secular recovery meetings" and that he was equally uncomfortable sharing about his struggle with alcohol in his men's Bible study group, so he came up with a third way, He wrote to Rick about it; Rick liked the idea and said, "Great John, do it."
The rest is history. Read How Celebrate Recovery Started, at Saddleback.com,
Rick's acronym for RECOVERY is clever, full of alliterations to please the senses and it serves to relate the 12 Steps of the Alcoholic Anonymous program with "scripture," (read it here.) Oddly, nowhere does it mention Jesus. For a "Christian" organization, this seems highly irregular, maybe even a bit of a problem; Jesus is supposed to be the central figure in Christianity, but he is not here. One would think that faith in Jesus as Lord and Savior, would be one of the steps to recovery.
Perhaps it is to simply be, "understood,"by the participant After all, the program is for Christians who think to insert "Jesus" on their own initiative, so it does not need to be explicitly about Jesus Christ in the group materials... right? The Christian just connects-the-dots and understands that God is mentioned, and Jesus is God... and that "spiritual experience" in Step Twelve means being 'born again" though faith in Him.
There is another problem though. Much like every church program that RickWarren orchestrates, this particular church program, created to rescue people from destructive, even sinful behavior isn't free. In fact, it generates a lot of commerce, and looks like a means of marketing products in church for profit. A person needs much more than your church pew Bible to participate in the program, you need some bucks. for buying Celebrate Recovery books.
There is another problem though. Much like every church program that RickWarren orchestrates, this particular church program, created to rescue people from destructive, even sinful behavior isn't free. In fact, it generates a lot of commerce, and looks like a means of marketing products in church for profit. A person needs much more than your church pew Bible to participate in the program, you need some bucks. for buying Celebrate Recovery books.
First you will need the Celebrate Recovery Bible. The large print hardback edition published by Zondervan, is at least $30.00 possibly as much as about $45.00, if not bought on a special deal. The soft-cover regular is at least $16.00! Then there are the books and journals you need to read and use: Stepping Out of Denial, (the users guide number 1 that you must read when being a participant in the program,) Taking An honest and Spiritual Inventory, (the users guide number 2 that you must read when being a participant in the program,) Getting Right With God, (the users guide number 3 that you must read when being a participant in the program,) Growing In Christ (the users guide number 4 that you must read when being a participant in the program.) The money making doesn't stop there with the special Zondervan produced bible, or the four books you will use in the program. There is a plethora of things you will be convinced to use and/or implement for your church members if you are a pastor, when you do buy into this trademarked program developed by John and Rick.
There's some great sales pitches for this product too. In fact, listen to this convincing statement by Rick as he convinces us that the program is soundly "biblical." and tells how Celebrate Recovery reveals the "biblical truth" and "principle" of what it is that make us well:
"This recovery program utilizes the biblical truth that we need each other in order to grow spiritually and emotionally. It is built around small group interaction and the fellowship of a caring community. There are many therapies, growth programs, and counselors today that are built around one-on-one interaction. But Celebrate Recovery is built on the New Testament principle that we don’t get well by ourselves. We need each other. Fellowship and accountability are two important components of spiritual growth. If your church is interested in starting small groups, this is a great way to get started. "
- Rick Warren
Rick Warren, A Message From Rick Warren, celebraterecovery.com
Question: According to Rick, what do we need in order to grow spiritually and emotionally? Funny. He doesn't mention the Word of God... even though Jesus said we live not by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God. Then there is also the testimony of Peter in 1 Peter 2:2. Celebrate Recovery, (CR) says instead that "we need each other." Also missing is mention of Jesus and how he heals us and sets us free. Why is that? The program is not really Christian or for that matter very different from Alcoholic Anonymous if the name of Jesus is not lifted up or at least one of the Steps to "recovery."
1. "Keep your sharing focused on your own thoughts and feelings." Participants are to limit their speaking time to less than five minutes.
2. "There is no cross talk." (There is explanation given to tell us what this means, but basically it means "having a conversation between two people that excludes all the others.") By eliminating "cross talk" everyone is focused on listening, being respectful, (and maybe even encouraged to be unresponsive as the others are sharing, but one must wonder why it is called, "cross talk," (a wording that reminds one of the cross upon which Jesus was crucified for our sin,) and why "cross talk" (as it is called,) is not "allowed."
3. "We are to support one another, not fix another." So do not even offer a scripture to encourage someone else.The guidelines tell us that this would be considered "fixing.")
4. "Anonymity and confidential are basic requirements." Like Vegas, what happens and is talked about in group stays in group... (with exception of the threat of injury to others or personal harm.)
5. No "offensive language" allowed. (Might be bad practice for a church group to "allow" such a thing as profanity.)
How is this different from Alcoholics Anonymous? (A.A,)
It is not different, except maybe it's stand on the use of profanity in meetings. CR does not allow profanity, A.A. does. Click on the highlighted terms to see some examples of what AA says in regards to "sharing," (1.) "cross-talk" (2.) Support and "fixing",(3.) anonymity and confidentiality (4.) and profane language.
A.A.meetings, based upon the 12 Steps and Twelve Traditions concepts, is not a small entity. It's a worldwide organization of people serving people. Shrouded in anonymity these intergroups span the glop while being composed of undisclosed members, who work to promote AA and other anonymous entities addressing various addictions or problems, like overeating, narcotics abuse, familial abuse, sexual addition, shopping addictions, gambling addictions, meth using....and other drugs or substances, but the more well known is related to alcohol abuse. Putting a name with the organization is difficult, for as the name says, they are, or at least prefer to remain, "anonymous."
The structure of A.A. is interesting to learn about. It is something called an intergroup. It's a hierarchical organization, or so they say. The motto for AA is, "Recovery, Unity, Service," (as in "service to the World.) This is achieved, they believe, by using the Twelve Steps and Twelve Traditions and Twelve Concepts originally propagated by their founders, with the sole purpose being service the world.
According to AA literature, there are Twelve Concepts for World Service, the first concept being that the ultimate authority resides in the collective consciousnesses of the fellowship. While seemingly secular in nature, AA is actually quit religious. They have a rich history with what was known at it's beginnings as "The Oxford Group," or the Moral Re-Armarment Society. The Lord's Prayer is often recited at meetings. People make reference to God in whatever manner they like, acknowledging there is a power higher than themselves, but Jesus .. or any other religious figure is never the dominate God they talk about. When it comes to Celebrate Recovery, (and Life's Healing Choices, another Rick Warren recovery intergroup concept ) It's pretty much the same as A.A.- that is, religious in nature.. or rather Christian in speech, but done without making Jesus the focal point of of the Celebrate Recovery program... the thing needed for for healing from addition. In fact it substitutes people and the group concept... the collective consciousness in place of Christ alone.
Instead of being built on Jesus Christ as the cornerstone of faith, relying on the love of God in Christ, proclaiming that in order to grow the Word of God must be heard and understood, Rick says,
"This recovery program utilizes the biblical truth that we need each other in order to grow spiritually and emotionally. It is built around small group interaction and the fellowship of a caring community. "
Instead of Church being that caring community whereby we have fellowship with that communitybeing focused on faith in Jesus Christ, being the body of Christ, CR, kike A.A. a whole new entity... with it's own DNA. It's a a parachurch, an intergroup within the Christian community of Church, accountable "to Christ, the local church and the model of Celebrate Recovery established at Saddleback Church.
......................................................................................... And as for service to the intergroup,
"For Christians, service is not something to be tacked onto our schedules if we can spare the time. It is the heart of the Christian life. Jesus came “to serve” and “to give” — and those two verbs should define your life on Earth, too. ” -Rick Warren
We Are Commanded To Serve God by Rick Warren, purposedriven,com; 2012
" Why would God pour more maturity and wisdom into a stagnate reservoir? Following the same thought, the last thing many believers need is to go to another Bible study; What they need are opportunities to serve - where they can exercise their spiritual muscles. Your example will teach the members of your congregation to shift from an attitude of “serve us” to "service." -Rick Warren
Transform your congregation through service, by Rick Warren, June 2, 2004
"But as we mature in Christ, the focus of our lives should increasingly shift to living a life of service. The mature follower of Jesus stops asking, “Who’s going to meet my needs?” and starts asking, “Whose needs can I meet?” Do you ever ask that question?"
We Are Commanded to Serve God by Rick Warren, August 19, 2009
"Your call to salvation included your call to service. They are the same."
"But as we mature in Christ, the focus of our lives should increasingly shift to living a life of service. The mature follower of Jesus stops asking, “Who’s going to meet my needs?” and starts asking, “Whose needs can I meet?” Do you ever ask that question?"
We Are Commanded to Serve God by Rick Warren, August 19, 2009
"Your call to salvation included your call to service. They are the same."
A Christian Who Doesn’t Serve Is a Contradiction by Rick Warren August 12, 2009
"Anyone can be a servant. All it requires is character."
" It is possible to serve in church for a lifetime without ever being a servant. "~ Rick Warren
" It is possible to serve in church for a lifetime without ever being a servant. "~ Rick Warren
We Serve God by Serving Others By Rick Warren 3/26/2009
“Whoever wants to be great must become a servant” (Mark 10:43 MSG). "
We Serve God by Serving Others By Rick Warren 3/26/2009
That''s odd... .
Jesus actually said,
"...but whoever wishes
to become great among you
shall be your servant;"
(Mark 10:43 NASB)
Compare this to :
“Whoever wants to be great must become a servant”
...and Jesus also calls us friends.
(John 15:15)
Matthew 7:15: "Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing..."
Rick Warren Poem Click Here
Hello. Just want to make a few brief comments. Thank you for the chance to do that. Your comments, in my opinion are unfair and very biased. I believe that AA is a good program. It has helped tens of thousands of people through the years. At the same time it does not allow for the expression of our faith in Christ. The participant expresses their belief in a higher power which can be anything.
ReplyDeleteCelebrate Recovery follows some of the same principles. They do not allow cross talk or trying to "fix" another participant because they believe that is God's job. The individual is pointed Jesus as the healer.
The materials are actually not that expensive. The 4 step books which are 5.00 apiece can be bought as a set for 15.00 and they take at least 4 months t go through so that is less than 4.00 a month. The CR Bible is not required. Clearly the program is not about money.
I believe the program is excellent and I also believe that many of the comments you have made and other pastors have made toward Rick Warren are a result of jealousy more than anything else. Give the guy a break. he is only human. If you have something better, publish it. If not, why spend so much time calling a godly man a wolf in sheep's clothing. perhaps you should follow the book of James which reminds us to take a look in the mirror at our own faults.
Hi David,
DeleteI appreciate you taking the time to both read this blog's post and also comment.
One thing ...you know Paul in 2 Corinthians 11, did talk about being jealous for those who were going astray from Christ. I am not a pastor, but perhaps those pastors you mentioned, feel the same way as Paul, not jealous thinking they want to be like Rick, or over Rick being more popular than they, or even wishing they were in his shoes. Maybe...more like Paul, they are jealous about the affections of people being lead astray, turned away (subtlety) to something else, something in place of Jesus Christ.
Maybe, if they are pastors, and if they are pastors that preach what the Bible says in spirit and in truth then perhaps it would be wise to heed their admonition. They, like Paul, might actually know what they are talking about.
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You obviously have never went through an entire Celebrate Recovery step study. The whole thing is saturated in Jesus as the answer and focus of recovery. I've been a part of this ministry for over 10 years. There are entire lessons on surrendering our lives to Christ and following him. Our church always bought resources for those who couldn't afford them. Crosstalk is to avoid getting wrong advice from others and to let people process on their own. Your blog is bogus. Sorry to be frank. CR is a tool. God uses it just like he uses the church to speak and to heal. I can't stand it when people try to say Jesus alone can heal an addiction. Can he, yes, but most of the time he doesn't without requiring our own participation. If one of your family members had cancer, you wouldn't just trust Jesus to heal them, you would take them to a hospital to get treatment.
ReplyDeleteHi. I appreciate your frankness. Good for your church, really, if people are hearing the truth of the gospel, that Jesus died and rose again taking our sins upon himself so that by believing on Him, we would have eternal life. This is not the message of Alcoholics Anonymous... and that's my point. Alcoholics Anonymous (AA) is the "DNA" of Celebrate Recovery. Celebrate Recovery may have bible verses in it, but it's source is not the Bible. That's kinda my point.
ReplyDeleteI also believe God can use and will use Christians, like yourself perhaps,in all sorts of way to reach people with the good news of salvation. The gospel though, is not a "twelve step" gospel. It's not that complicated.... and you can bet that it's a money maker for book publishers... as every individual buys thier book and workbook. John Baker and Rick Warren sell books. (All "philanthropy" included.)
Jesus alone is the way to be saved.
Addiction or cancer...Jesus saves.
Recovery ... remission.... Jesus saves.
That's my point. Jesus (Not a church's program") saves.
If I may also reiterate... one problem with Celebrate Recovery is that it is no substitute for the gospel of God's grace toward us in Christ, and the Celebrate Recovery "addiction groups" (a.k.a. "community") is no substitute for "church."
I think it's great that your church is willing to reach out and hold people'hands and care individually for them while you give them the gospel of God's love and help them get back on their feet. We all could use a friend in our time of need. Just be aware. It's also good to have a safe place to come face to face with hard truths.
It's necessary to face the harsh realty of our sin, failures and shortcomings, but sure healing to come face to face with the kindness of not just a friend who can relate to our woes and commiserate with us, but a friend who tells us the truth that we need Jesus, and introduces us to our good and gracious. loving God.
Peace.
From participating in these programs (A.A. & Celebrate Recovery) I must say I have experienced God's healing grace, great community with other broken people, who also wish to experience God's healing grace. I agree with David's comment above, if you have a better program - publish it. This way more people may experience God's healing grace. The more people who are talking about God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit, the more we will all be blessed.
ReplyDeleteThank you, Rita - Hands in Service in Arizona.
It is obvious that you have spent no time at Celebrate Recovery meetings. Your lack of knowledge about the program is obvious in all of your comments. You say it is a program for Christians when in fact it is a program for all people. Celebrate Recovery is above all a discipling program. It's main purpose is to teach people that Jesus is not only the way to salvation but he is also the source of all healing. You state that Christians need to insert Jesus into the program. You obviously don't know that Celebrate recovery meetings begin with an hour of worship where Jesus is the focus, not recovery. Each of the recovery principles and steps has scriptures that support it. All scripture relates to Jesus. You wrongly (purposefully?) state that people need to buy a Celebrate Recovery bible to participate. That is false. The workbooks, that are needed, are inexpensive and most churches will provide them free to anyone who cannot afford them. Why did you not list the " plethora of things things you will be convinced to use and/or implement for your church members". Other than the four guides, and your own bible, there is nothing that you need to purchase. What is "biblical truth' if not the word of God? And Jesus's word is lifted up in every step of recovery. Your comment on "Cross talk" is too ridiculous to comment on, so I'll just skip that. As for not trying to fix one another, there is always a period of fellowship after sharing that is a time for offering scriptures, encouragement or any other kind of help that is needed to other participants. "Anonymity and confidential are basic requirements," what happens and is talked about in group does stay in group. people discuss personal issues which should and do remain confidential. I can't believe you don't understand how important that is. yes, the group guidelines are very much like AA guidelines, that is because the AA guidelines are good guidelines.
ReplyDeleteAgain it is obvious that you have never participated in Celebrate recovery and you should not criticize something that you don't know much about.
This, I know IS true... Romans 8:28
Delete".... that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose." This would most certainly include Celebrate Recovery.
Obviously, you, dear writer, love God.
Trademarked goods... copyrighted materials, sold to churches, in churches and directed towards church people, deserve scrutiny, and I merely suggest that a template for AA used in the church is still AA. That's the point of this CR DNA article...Celebrate Recovery, it's "DNA" is still basically AA. (And let's note: AA helps people too.)
Do a websearch titled, 'Celebrate Recovery books and materials.' There are oodles. Original books, updated versions of old, book sets, kits for churches, gear to be used in the "program" like chips and coins... just like AA. The fact that churches are willing to provide "free" materials for people does not mean the materials are free to the churches.
Alcoholics Anonymous is said to be Christian in origin. "Prayers," " scripture," " belief in God" are part of that too.... They say. So is CR the same twelve step program as AA or is it different?
John Baker has reportedly modeled CR after his secular recovery meeting. This 12 step program, which certainly looks a lot like AA simply repackaged, re-titled, trademarked and copyrighted by John Baker of Saddleback Church (https://store.pastors.com/resources/celebrate-recovery/cr-gear-apparel.html) is making Saddleback and pastors.com lots and lots of money.
Praise be to God for his work in all of our lives. God, in his love and mercy is gracious indeed. We may have slowly a become acclimated, accustomed, to such things, but is the church really a place to buy and sell? (Matthew 21:11-13.)
I am sorry if I offend you or anyone else the information gathered and presented herein. You are certainly entitled to agree or disagree, but do research for yourself; I heartily encourage that. I use this blog to share what I have researched myself.