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Sunday, April 11, 2010

The Saddleback Membership Covenant


1. I WILL PROTECT THE UNITY OF MY CHURCH
2. I WILL SHARE THE RESPONSIBILITY OF MY CHURCH
3. I WILL SERVE THE MINISTRY OF MY CHURCH
4. I WILL SUPPORT THE TESTIMONY OF MY CHURCH

Can people...having heard the gospel and received Christ and having been baptized...
simply be the manner of men that God has called Christians to be?   
Does not the Holy Ghost work in us and lead us and guide us into all truth.?
Does God help us? Does his word and Holy Spirit counsel us....
train us and speak to us by the Word of God and prayer?  

When it comes to making "a covenant" with the church.... 
how is it that this repentance and baptism... 
the receiving of this truth is simply 
not enough? 

For some, like Rick Warren,
to profess faith in Christ,
it under sound biblical teaching, and subject oneself  
to come into fellowship with other believers and be a member
of the body of Christ, and this with no strings attached, 
letting "your yes be yes and your no be no" 
is not enough.  
One has to sign 
an oath too.  

The popular thing now is that members
of his "Purpose Driven" churches are being told 
that they must not only receive Jesus Christ as Lord, 
but that they must also make an additional covenant...
to the leadership of the church congregation, 
)and this is even though they have just been baptized...
and entered into the Great and Holy covenant of God,
the one that He made
with humanity 
himself...
for all  time. 

Something just doesn't seem right about this.

A writer on the internet says 
that the New Covenant is an agreement
between the Jesus Christ, 
our Lord and Savior,the Redeemer 
and His Church, the Redeemed.  
In fellowship with him and with the Father through His Holy Spirit 
we have a relationship with God, and with our fellow man,
not only those in Christ  but also those yet outside this covenant...
the stranger...
widow, 
orphan...
neighbor, 
and even those 
who would be 
our enemy.   
Surely such a covenant as this 
is much superior to a covenant 
made with human hands. 

Interesting. 

Not only that, 
but this is all is so 
despite the fact that as a Christian, 
you could, as you have been instructed by Jesus Himself, 
to simply live honestly,  
(a Matthew 5:37 concept)
and not go around taking oaths 
which you cannot keep 
or even saying what you will 
and will not do in the future.

YOo and I , 
we have no control over in the future 
and perhaps something unknown to you, 
will prevent you from keeping the oaths you make.
.. the ones you will not, cannot  keep.  

Covenants, like marriage,
may be broken by you intentionally
or unintentionally, 
sometime in the future...
but God, 
he always keeps his 
Promises...  and a PROMISE 
is what a covenant really is.

God is the faithful one, the one who always keeps his word.




The Saddleback Membership Covenant 
(An excerpt from "Church membership: Expect what the Bible expects  by Rick Warren ")

"Having received Christ as my Lord and Savior and been baptized, and being in agreement with Saddleback's statements, strategy, and structure, I now feel led by the Holy Spirit to unite with the Saddleback church family. In doing so, I commit myself to God and to the other members to do the following:
1. I WILL PROTECT THE UNITY OF MY CHURCH
...By acting in love toward other members
...By refusing to gossip
...By following the leaders
"So let us concentrate on the things which make for harmony, and on the growth of our fellowship together." Rom. 15:19 (Ph)
"Have a sincere love for your fellow believers, love one another earnestly with all your hearts." 1 Peter 1:22 (TEV)
"Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs..." Eph. 4:29
"Obey your leaders and submit to their authority. They keep watch over you as men who must give an account. Obey them so that their work will be a joy, not a burden, for that would be no advantage to you." Heb. 13:17
2. I WILL SHARE THE RESPONSIBILITY OF MY CHURCH
...By praying for its growth
...By inviting the unchurched to attend
...By warmly welcoming those who visit
"To the church ... we always thank God for you and pray for you constantly." 1 Thess. 1:2
"The Master said to the servant, 'Go out to the roads and country lanes, and urge the people there to come so my house will be full.'" Luke 14:23 (NCV)
"So, warmly welcome each other into the church, just as Christ has warmly welcomed you; then God will be glorified." Rom. 15:7 (LB)
3. I WILL SERVE THE MINISTRY OF MY CHURCH
...By discovering my gifts and talents
...By being equipped to serve by my pastors
...By developing a servant's heart
"Serve one another with the particular gifts God has given each of you..." 1 Peter 4:10(Ph)
"God gave...some to be pastors and teachers to prepare God's people for works of ministry, so that the body of Christ may be built up..." Eph. 4:11-12
"Each of you should look not only to your own interests, but also to the interests of others. Your attitude should be the same as that of Jesus Christ...who took on the very nature of a servant..." Phil. 2:3-4,7
4. I WILL SUPPORT THE TESTIMONY OF MY CHURCH
...By attending faithfully
...By living a godly life
...By giving regularly
"Let us not give up the habit of meeting together...but let us encourage one another." Heb. 10:25
"But whatever happens, make sure that your everyday life is worthy of the gospel of Christ." Phil. 1:27 (Ph)
"Each one of you, on the first day of each week, should set aside a specific sum of money in proportion to what you have earned and use it for the offering." 1 Cor. 16:2
"A tenth of all your produce is the Lord's, and it is holy." Lev. 27:30

Note the "I WILL's"

  Satan had a lot of "I WILL's"  too.
Isaish 14: 13:
"I will ascend to heaven;  
I will raise my throne
above the stars of God; 
I will sit enthroned
on the mount of assembly,
on the utmost heights
of the sacred mountain."

Who's "will" be done?

Will the person making known their own will.
signing this covenant contract,
be doing their own will, or God's?
AND
Why does one have to sign a written contract?
Will they be anathema if they
somehow fail in someone's opinion...
to uphold and do their part sucessfully?

Will they be needing a lawyer
when they intentionally
or unintentionally
break the contact?
This is simply baffling. 

The covenant reads:
 "I WILL PROTECT THE UNITY OF MY CHURCH..". 

...By refusing to gossip
...By following the leaders

Does this mean you cannot speak up 
about unbiblical teaching from the pulpit?  
How much will one follow the leadership 
 and "protect unity" of their church, 
even if they are WRONG... 
Will they be silent, 
just to keep this 
unity? 
" I WILL SHARE THE RESPONSIBILITY OF MY CHURCH"
....By praying for its growth
...By inviting the unchurched to attend
...By warmly welcoming those who visit

Is this so that people can feel 
 like they are a part of something BIG?

Does this mean that if the leadership 
takes out a huge loan 
and goes bankrupt you 
become financially 
responsible?
Does this mean that you will spend all
your spare time and your energy.
at the church doing things that need to get done 
instead of spending time with your family 
and the people you need to love?

"I WILL SERVE THE MINISTRY OF MY CHURCH"
...By discovering my gifts and talents
...By being equipped to serve by my pastors
...By developing a servant's heart
 
You are promising to serve...
Does this make your service, 
to you local church,
"mandatory"?

You are agreeing to serve
and to develop a 
"servant's heart." 
to the undertakings 
of your church 
leaders
under OATH?

How interesting that our country's current leaders
are also interested in mandatory "service."


"I WILL SUPPORT THE TESTIMONY OF MY CHURCH."
...By attending faithfully
...By living a godly life
...By giving regularly

This could be for any church.
of any doctrinal persuation,
you do not have to consider
Christian doctrine from the Bible,
just the "testimony "
of your particular local church.

In the case of a
Purpose Driven Church,
you are agreeing to support
the five purposes
that need to be balanced
in a "healthy" church.

The signer is agreeing
not to challenge the teachings,
and because 
this section deals with moneyyou are also agreeing
to financially support the church
by commiting to give "at least a tenth of their income"
to support the "testimony of the church."
rather than giving an offering  from their heart,
and at their own discretion.
Besides that, it is rather legalistic .
It is also convenient too, for "leaders"
to have a data base about every member, 
know how much money they make 
and to have an expected
organizational income 
based upon not only 
numbers in attendance and statistics... 
but also upon a legal contract of this nature, 
and this rather than simply 
knowing and trusting 
God for his provision 
and the people in their congregation.


 If one covenants like this,
must they always continue

to keep such promises?

Matthew 5: 33-37
Jesus speaking; "Again, you have heard that it was said to the people long ago, 'Do not break your oath, but keep the oaths you have made to the Lord.' But I tell you, Do not swear at all: either by heaven, for it is God's throne; or by the earth, for it is his footstool; or by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the Great King. And do not swear by your head, for you cannot make even one hair white or black.  Simply let your 'Yes' be 'Yes,' and your 'No,' 'No'; anything beyond this comes from the evil one."


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Just Plain Adulterated and Unbiblical Teaching...

This is what Warren Says about "doctrine" in an article in Preaching Magazine, titled: 
 promoted by and located on pastors.com




Warren speaking:
“Now, what is the purpose of the Bible? Well, it says in 2 Timothy 3:16-17, "All scripture is given by inspiration of God and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be thoroughly furnished unto every good work." But people misread that verse most of the time. The purpose of the Bible is not for doctrine, not for reproof, correction, and instruction in righteousness. Those are all "for this" in the Greek. ‘For this … for this … for this … in order that.’ The purpose is in order that. So doctrine in itself is not the purpose of the Bible. Reproof in itself is not the purpose – correction or training is not the purpose. The bottom line is to change lives: "That the man of God may be thoroughly furnished unto every good work." So every message must be preaching for life change. "


So, dear reader, do people really believe Warren when he says
that the bible is not for doctrine, not for reproof or correction 
or for instruction in righteousness?  
And seriously... Did he just really say that?

Why would he teach such a thing?   

Answer: 
The man is a magician of words. 
He wants people to change
their minds about the Bible.... 
and realize that the Bible is 
not about doctrine.. but obviously something so much greater... 
(ka-ching!)

CHANGE!
(not faith in Jesus, not even repentance...
for as he says elsewhere,
"all preaching" should be for life "change"--)
just"change."

No wonder Paul told  Timothy to watch his life and doctrine closely!



Furthermore,: 
If doctrine is not taught by the scriptures, 
then where does it come from?  
How about training in righteousness?  
Where will you go for that?  
And as for reproof of false notions and ideas...
who are you going to listen to?  

Rick?
 

And.... what people do YOU  know 
who" misread" that verse?  
Who do you know that reads it?
Christians?
And is this verse really
so hard to UNDERSTAND?
Who do you know that actually thinks 
that this passage of scripture means what it says 
about doctrine being a purpose of the scripture, 
or scripture being the place where one gets training 
in what righteousness is?  
Might those people actually BE Christians?

Who does Warren think rmisreads that verse?

Well, anyone, that is, anyone who doesn’t subscribe t
o Rick’s teaching that is obviously, now
the correct view to have.
Yes, anyone who believes that the Bible is for doctrine 
and reproof and correction 
and instruction in righteousness... 
who know that doctrine, training in righteousness, 
being corrected when your wrong
and good instruction WILL furnish 
a person to actually do 
good works....

Right or wrong about the Greek is not the point,
the point is that he is teaching that Christians
through centuries have simply misread that verse... 
and they were all wrong. 





" In my two-day seminar on preaching, I just keep coming back to, ‘Now let's see how Jesus did it. Now, look how Jesus did it.’ You take the greatest sermon in the world — which is the Sermon on the Mount — and He starts off, ‘Let me tell you eight ways to be happy.’ Happy are you if you do this … You are happy if you do this. Then He talks about anger: don't get angry. He talks about divorce: don't divorce. He talks about worry — let me give you four reasons why not to worry: it’s unreasonable; it’s unnatural. He talks about all of these practical things and then He says, ‘Now, if you put this into practice you are a wise man. If you don't, you are a fool and you’re building a house on a rock. "
Purpose-Driven Preaching: An Interview with Rick Warren 

Does that statement, 
"you are a fool 
and you’re building 
a house on a rock"  
seem like an odd statement 
for a follower of Jesus to make? 
Isn't this just a bit
unbiblical sounding?)

 First of all, He is giving his own interpretation 
to what Jesus said. 

Second of all, aren’t Christians supposed to build upon a rock.. 
(((Jesus Christ?))))  
Why is it that Warren refers to building
"your house on a rock" 
as a negative thing when actually,
it is a positive thing in the scripture?  
After all, if you know the things that Jesus said, 
you will remember. he said,  
the wind and torrents cannot knock down a house that is built upon a rock. 

Warren’s is cunning and crafty.
Warren says, :

“..koinonia (the Greek word for fellowship) is "being as devoted to each other as we are to Jesus Christ."
Church membership covenant: Expect what the Bible expects By Rick Warren  10/25/02)


Sounds nice.  But is this true?

Are we really to be as devoted to one-another as we are to Jesus Christ?

We do have fellowship as Christians...
and we do love one another....
it is our calling... for God is  LOVE...
and the command is love-
but as for being as devoted to other people...
even our church... as we are to to Jesus Christ...

Luke 14:26 reads: 
"If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and mother, his wife and children, his brothers and sisters—yes, even his own life—he cannot be my disciple."

Exactly
how devoted 
are we to be to Jesus 
compared to other people? 

"But more than that I believe you need to hear God's word from more than just one personality. I think that is healthy. I think a lot of people, you hear a guy for about six or seven years and he has shot his wad. You’ve heard what he has got to say and you either have to start hearing the same stuff over again or move to a different church.
 Purpose Driven Preaching: An Interview with Rick Warren. 2001

"Shot his, "what? "

MR. Warren, there ARE ladies present!
What exactly does this mean?  
(THIS IS a somewhat rhetorical question....)

More importantly, 
what does a comment like this, 
in this context 
actually infer about 
the Word of God being preached? 

Impotence?