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Monday, October 1, 2018

A HOPE FOR THE WORLD and a NEW HOPE FOR YOUR CHURCH


Hold on to your hope and your faith in Jesus Christ church.  Rick Warren has a "new hope" to replace it.

Paul, writing to young Timothy, begins his letter in Timothy 1: verse 1 telling him and us who and what our hope is.( It's Jesus.)  In Titus 2:13, we are told about a "Blessed Hope" and who/what THAT HOPE  is. (Again, it's Jesus.)   And In 1 Thessalonians 1:2-4, we are told the object of the hope the church (and all who would be the church) has.  (Please note: It is not a hope in the the church, (ourselves) but in Jesus Christ, the hope of the world.)

But Rick, apparently is not convinced by such passages of scripture because he has another agenda.  He is still out promoting "the church" as the "hope "of the world.  

And is he even sure of the gospel, once and for all delivered to the saints?  You have to wonder.  He is willing to bet he might be right on this most important issue of "hope." 


“The world needs hope like never before. Our hope is not in government. It will never come through a politician. Our hope is not in who we put in the White House, but in who we put on the cross,” said Warren. “I’m betting on the church to change the world, and I’m betting on the church to give us all the hope we need.”
-Rick Warren,


Neglecting to simply mention the name of Jesus in a public forum; he merely makes reference to "the cross" and implies that  "the church" that will give us (the world)  "all the hope we need."

Our hope is in Jesus and there is something beyond the cross... It's is the cross, yes,  but there is also this little historical fact of the resurrection of Jesus from death to life.  This is the hope of the church and the this is the hope that the church gives to the world..  


PS 
Foshizzle means, according to the urban dictionary, "For sure"



Tuesday, March 8, 2016

Putting "Church" First

'We Have to Learn to Love the Church' ~Rick Warren

"Too many Christians use the church, but don't love it. 
This is a hard message for many of us to hear. We've been deeply hurt by members of the church, we've been disappointed, we can be discouraged. But the Church is the Bride of Christ. It's the Hope of the world, the vessel
 through which God works out his plan. We have to learn 
to love the church. For some of us that means there's
 people we need to forgive, for others it means we need to get involved in service, and for others it means 
we need to change how we talk of the church. Jesus
 loves his church. If for no other reason than that-
 we must love the church also"
                                                            ~Rick Warren, Facebook page, Dec. 9th, 2015

 Did you ever notice how some people talk bad about the church and "Christians" all the time.?  And while you might think that it's a "pastors" place to correct the flock of it's folly, to tell Christians how awful they are, you might want to think again.  And think about it... As Rick whines and complains and talk about changing the way Christians are and are not, is he encouraging Christians to love the Lord their God with all their hearts?  No.  He is actually attempting to replace that concept.  According to Rick Christians have it all wrong.  They "must love "the church."

It's tricky business being a change agent.  You got to be pretty sly, and Rick Warren has repeatedly referred to "pastors" as change agents, including himself.  Here he is telling those who listen to him, (Christian or not,) how unforgiving, lazy, and unlike Jesus "Christians" are. In fact, his message is probably one that is hard for most Christians to hear.  (Is it hard for you?)  Riddled with the problem of unforgiveness towards others, neglecting to serve and wrongly thinking church is for them to become equipped and mature, Christians have things all wrong.  Rick has a message for Christiand though.... one that will help them change.

Christians "must love the church."

To this, any discerning ear should wonder, "Does he means Rome?"

Discerning ears know the thing Christians are commanded to love is God. (See the first commandment) However Rick will happily employ people with the notion of loving "the church" first and foremost, even in place of God, if people let him do this; and they do.  He would help someone discover their "purpose" instead of Jesus and working hard to please God, instead of entering into God's rest by relying upon the finished work of Jesus Christ upon the cross.  Oh, Jesus is often mentioned... but only to lend credence to Rick's divulged "secrets" he will teach you if you only extend to him that "itchy" ear.

Rick  offers people the "secrets" of a healthy church, the "secrets" of successful weight loss through his "Daniel Plan,"as well as all the "secrets" of  a fruitful ministry, like his.  He offers hearers the "secret" to finding happiness and the "secret" of how to get yourself some answered prayer, and stresses the importance of knowing, not what Jesus did for you, so much as just how much YOu are worth, a the while saying, in case your listening to him speak, that really, it's not about "you. "


"There isn't a better thing you can do to raise your confidence level than to start believing what God says about you. As I read through the Bible, chapter by chapter, and find a verse that speaks to me, I write it down on a card, memorize it, and then I affirm it back to God: "Father, thank you that I am valuable; I am significant; I am forgivable; I am capable."

~Rick Warren, Eliminate Negative Self Talk by Rick Warren, May 21, 2014, rickwarren,org

"...... But you do not realize that you are wretched, pitiful, poor, blind and naked."
Jesus, Revelation 3:17

After all, Rick doesn't really mind too much if you are thinking that you are somehow worthy of God's love,  just like Jesus; and that you were created for serving others and doing your "fair share," if not more.

"You weren’t created just to consume resources—to eat, breathe, and take up space. God designed you to make a difference with your life. You were created to add to life on Earth, not just take from it. God wants 
you to give something back. "
~ Rick Warren
Rick Warren: God Calls Us To a Life of Service,  by Rick Warren, Ministry mag.com



So much for for the free   "gift" of God.  You Christians better get busy and make a contribution to society.

, Rick does not hold  "Christians" in high esteem. In fact, the very thing he  suggests "Christians" are guitly of, (talking bad about the church,) he himself does.  There is a word for this.  It is called hypocrisy.    Matthew 23 tells us all about it.

 And while Rick suggests that Jesus loves the church and you should too, Jesus himself told his disciples that love of God was the most important thing...( not the love of "church." as Rick suggests.)  In fact, Jesus used some strong language (see Luke 14:26) to insure his disciples put God first, and love the Lord God with all their heart.

It's a sad day when truth is abandoned and replaced with fine sounding human notions.   Little does Rick know, but Christians are actually knit together in love.  Its a fine sounding argument to say that Christians must learn to love the church, and it's sounds profound to suggest that the church is the hope of the world... but church is not the answer to the ills of man.  Jesus is.  Jesus is the hope of the world.... and John tells us clearly, God "so loved the world" that he gave us his Son, that who soever believes on him would have eternal life.  Believing in Jesus is one thing.  Believing in the church is something else.

Jesus is the hope of the world and we who belong to Jesus are called to love God and others.  Christians do love God and others, not because we do everything perfect all the time, but because Jesus did and not because we MUST learn to love, as Rick suggests, but because of who Jesus is and what he did; and because, God first loved us.





Wednesday, June 24, 2015

Sometimes God Has a Better Idea." (Sometimes???)


"Sometimes God Has A Better Idea" Rick Warren
Sometimes God Has a Better Idea by Rick Warren, May 21, 2014, www.rickwarren.org

Sometimes? Only sometimes?  Really??  Is he serious?  Think about that one. Doesn't Pastor Rick know that God's ways are above our ways?  Ideas, thoughts, plans,... "whatever" the issue at hand, God is always "better".  God is holy, perfect and righteous, and true.

Isaiah 55:8- 9 reads, "For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts."

Perhaps you like that title.  After all, Rick is certainly getting people's attention with a comment that affirms people and gives them the idea that they are filled with good ideas most of the time.  They read this and can digest it so much easier than any notion of needing to repent.... because they like hearing that they are almost, but not quite, as smart and wise as God.  "Sometimes, God has a better idea," then they do.

Rick is twisting and changing the scriptures. He is not telling us that  God's ideas are always higher, and always better.  He is not telling people that they must repent of evil an turn to God.  Instead he uses the scriptures in order to tell you what he thinks you want to hear, but his agenda is not to give you salvation from your sin or to help you hear and know God, instead the point of it all is to get you listening to and thinking like,  Rick Warren.

To do that, (according to Rick)  "have the proper attitude:"

"James 4 tells us the proper attitude to have: "Now listen you who say 'Today or tomorrow we will go to this or that city, spend a year there, carry on business, and make money.' Why, you don't even know what will happen tomorrow. ... Instead, you ought to say, 'If it is the Lord's will, we will live and do this or that.'"
 Sometimes God Has a Better Idea by Rick Warren, May 21, 2014, www.rickwarren.org


Rick is reading from the book of James, and he is rightly reading from a translation, not a paraphrase like he often does.  Rick then takes the opportunity to interpret that passage of scripture, for us.  He says,

"James is saying it's OK to make plans, but just realize that ultimately God has the final word..."

Is James here saying, "It's okay to make plans?"  (Or did Rick just paraphrase that?)  Did James write anything about God having "the final word?"

Rick, believe it or not, was giving you a "switcher-roo."  Rick is not being honest with the text.

He mentioned nothing about a change in you thinking... nothing about you desiring to be in the will of God, about changing your way of thinking from doing what you want and think is best, to looking to God's direction, leading and even unto him giving you the ability to do what you do.  Nope.  Rick tells you that "James" says, "it's okay to make plans,: (go ahead, made your own plans,) just be sure to realize that "ultimately, God has the final word." And note who God is made out to be.... for Rick makes it sound like God, with his "final Word" will be a bit heavy-handed with you in the end.

 Rick can help you with this though.... He will tell you the "right attitude" to have:

"The right attitude is to always keep your plans submitted to God. Make your plans but say, "God, if this is what You want, this is the direction I'm going to go. I'm doing this with flexible faith."

(Unfortunately it's a wrong attitude.  Rick explains God as some kind of a taskmaster who demands you submission, meanwhile he has you :telling" God what you will and will not do.)

Do you suppose that God is bound to be impressed with you when you "tell" him how you will be doing what you think he wants you to do,  with "flexible faith."

Is this concept of a faith that is flexible, even in the Bible?  "Faith is to be unwavering,  (Hebrews 10:23)  (not  variable depending upon a circumstance.)One can Have "great Faith" (Matthew 8:10) In fact, no matter how big or small a faith your faith may be as anytime, faith is faith and even a little can do great things. (Luke 17:6) You either have faith in God, or you don't. (Mark 4:40)    "Flexible faith might be a great sounding concept to you, but it is only a fine sounding concept that Rick simply made up.

Believing that you need to have "flexible faith" is the kind of thing that will allow your once immovable, unshakable faith in God to be reshaped.  Neither yes or no, neither hot nor cold, you r faith will be "flexible" and you will develop that uncanny ability, like Rick, to shape shift your faith and your words, in every crowd.  

This comes about by realizing how great you are.. how great your ideas, and dreams "really"
 are... while of course being willling to recognize  that "Sometimes: God has a better idea." But if you keep going down this path of thinking, then before long, you will think yourself quite complete... rich, increased with goods, in need of nothing, (knowing not that you are 
wretched and miserable, poor, blind and naked... completely in need of God. )

Jesus has some words for all of us on this matter:

I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.

Tuesday, February 3, 2015

Word-of-Faith Rick

Apparently, the Christian church is and has been wrong..... and Rick Warren (and Buddy Owens who helps him write devotionals for the Daily Hope)  offers both believer and unbelievers a 
"new way of thinking about life, God, yourself, hardship, your family and your world?"  

Yes, you can think in a NEW WAY about God,  yourself, hardship, your family, and your world.  All it takes is a redefining of words.... (and the good news is that  it can be completely wrong... if you like it that way. ) All that matters is that you are feeling special and happy about who you are!  The idea is you just say things and make them true because you said them.....

It's a little like having a Word of Faith doctrine in your pocket to use whenever it seems like a good thing to do.  If you do not like  confession. If you'd rather not talk about how you have lied... no problem.... just redefine it.  No longer does confessing mean admitting you had done something wrong and are ready and willing to admit your fault.  Nope.  Rick says,
"Stop confessing lies. Confess your faith!"
 Stop confessing lies.

 Instead confess your faith.

Weird huh?

In fact, just saying "what God says" is "confession," and did you know, repentance is not having remorse for your sin?  At least it's not with the NEW way of thinking,  No, repentance is simply thinking what God thinks; you know, thinking just like him.
"When you say what God says (confession), you begin to think what God thinks (repentance)"

Believe who God Says You Are, by Rick Warren, Daily Hope with Rick Warren, May 21 2014

God is asking you to believe he is who he says he is, believe you are who he says you are, and then live like you believe those things.-Rick Warren


Believe who God Says You Are, by Rick Warren, Daily Hope with Rick Warren, May 21 2014

How vague can you get?  This is no gospel.... just meaningless babble.


 It sounds remarkably like Rick and friends at Daily Hope, would next have you repeat the mantra of false teacher, Joel Olsteen....
" This is My Bible, I am what it says I am, I have what it says I have, I can do what it says I can do. Today I will be taught the Word of God. I boldly confess, My mind is alert My heart is receptive. I am about to receive the incorruptible, indestructible, ever-living, seed of the Word of God. I will never be the same…Never, never, never, I will never be the same in Jesus name!"  

And then, yes, listen to these messaged, redefine words to suit yourself, make up your own doctrine instead of watch them closely like the apostles did and you would "never... never, never..... be the same in Jesus' name" certainly not the same as those who confess and repent properly.



 

Friday, January 11, 2013

Is It Influence? (...or is it "Influence-a")

People who are free have power and these people have the power to choose for themselves what they think, wear, eat, do with their time and who they pay tribute to.  People with power, also tend to have influence as their decision making affect others.  There is a strange phenomena however, that of gaining through your own influence the power of of others... when this takes place influence has gone awry.

Everybody has influence, but there is a problem when a person's thinking begins to focus primarily upon themselves.  They will then begin using their own natural influence to change and manipulate others for their own personal benefit.  Symptoms include the use of multiple logical fallacies in conversation, as well as ignoring facts in order to advance some kind of agenda.  Flattery, boasting, false humility and doublespeak, as well as partiality to people of influence, and name-dropping are all symptoms of it's infection.  An unbridled willingness to do and say "whatever it takes," to make a sale, make a friends, or get your way, often without thinking of long term consequences, is common.  For the sake of discussion, we will call this kind of influence-gone-awry, "influence-a."  Make no mistake, left unchecked and allowed to fester, "influence-a" soon becomes a highly contagious little bugger.

True "influence-a" has one primary purpose, and that is to alter the influence of other people to the  host's personal advantage and liking.  This is usually done via some stealth method of verbal manipulation that preys upon the naivety of others.   This strange mutant form of unhealthy influence, if not exposed to light, acts like a virus as it plagues the human psyche with a propensity for acquisition of friends, fame or finance.  In most cases, the organism subconsciously causes a person to  unduly justify the means with which it covertly operates, favorable results are all that matters.   "Influence-a" should be recognized for the problem that it is, exposed to the light and always handled with care, in truth and love... in hopes of arresting the lytic cycle of this hazardous threat.

Enter, Rick Warren:


                  "Listening is influencing with your ears. See James 1:19" -Rick Warren
Rick Warren, Tweet 1-2-13


He appears to be a bad case of "influence-a."  He is, were are told, quite influential, often  influencing others and now he advocated influence coming out of people's ears!  

This is serious.

The cure for those infected and affected by this terrible condition of "influence-a" is nothing short of a miracle.  In all actuality  the cure is pretty simple, but it requires a drop of pure, honest-to-goodness humility, obtained only when the affected recognizes something is terribly wrong and repents.  Once this happens, the inflated influence deflates to normal size and the infected individual can see their need for Jesus and appropriately apply the truth of God's holy and infallible Word to all their wound and wounding that they have caused to others by their sin.  This simple and cost effective treatment works wonders and when reapplied frequently "influence-a" remains dormant and unable to reproduce. 

There are many treatments, but this is the only known cure to actually quell the deficiencies in us that create that overwhelming desire to win friends and influence people in order to find our own purpose and significance in the world and to be thought of as great in the eyes of human beings.  Once cured by this amazing knowledge of God's love, and subsequently freed from the bondage and slavery of our own sin, the disease is arrested.  Living in the light of truth and genuinely learning to love one another as Jesus said, can and will prevent any further uncontrollable outbreaks of the disease.



Romans 12 : 2-3 tells the Christian,

"....be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

There is an influence craze. It is pretty much epidemic in the world. As Anne Lennox in her song says, "Everybody is looking for something." "Sweet Dreams are made of these...."

"Influence-a", considered by many to be the key to "change" and "transformation," (even though change from what to what often goes completely undefined.) Masters of influence know that if you learn to master others via "influence-a," it can grow to astronomical proportions affecting things you never thought possible and only dreamed of, but often they do not know, or they fail to tell you that it is intoxicating. In fact, "influence-a" is the kind of thing that can drive you as an individual to do things you may one day regret doing.

Take Rick Warren, he's a nice guy with a desire to do "good" things. He has a best selling book that made him a lot of money, and so because of this and the notoriety that comes from being a nice guy with a lot of money, he believes he now has a lot of influence, and he does.  As a person of influence, he has the capability if making impressions on people just by the use of his name, (like on the foreword of a book.)   Like E.F. Hutton, when Rick Warren speaks he hopes people are listening.  Fluent in the mechanics of influence, Rick himself, describes what influence is, this way:

"Influence isn't inborn. Influence can't be demanded.  You only have it if people think you deserve it and GIVE it to you."-Rick Warren
Rick Warren, Tweet 11-23-12

Influence itself is a good thing.  It is described as the power to affect a person, thing, or change a course of events, and it often operates without any direct or apparent force.  Problems with undue influence frequently arise when influence becomes an "art" or a "science" used to covertly deploy your natural influenceon other (unsuspecting) people.  Salesmen, marketing agents, business executives and all sorts of people managers quite frequently employ special techniques of  influence  in order to manage affairs and affect circumstances and the people around them in order to build a business or make a profit... sometimes this is done the right way.... other times it is not.  Many  will pay big bucks to go to lectures and conferences to listen to the masters of influence spout their wares and learn to follow in their footsteps of perceived success.  There are a lot of experts.... John Maxwell, Anthony Robbins, Ken Blanchard, and no doubt, Rick Warren, to name a few.

 Take Rick Warren for example.... he is so full of influence... that all he has to do is  listen, and he can influence other people?  That's right.... he knows all about it.  Remember, his "tweet?"
                               "Listening is influencing with your ears. See James 1:19" 


There is not anything in the Bible about influencing people with your ears..... even in James 1:19.

The part about influencing people with your ear... sounds "good" but who knows where it came from?  Maybe Rick made it up.  Maybe he got that idea from reading  Scientific American Magazine and thought it helpful so he is passing it on to you and me via tweet...  Whatever the case, ears take in information and do not influence much of anything, but you can bet Rick Warren is influencing people to repeat his tweet, as if it were gospel.  Rick Warren has influence over a lot of of people, like...  Mark Driscoll.

If you never heard of Rick Warren, but you know about Mark Driscoll, then Mark Driscoll might influence you to be influenced by Rick.  Amazing how it works in a kind of domino effect.  Not only that, but influence-a can set up a sort of invisible, obscure hierarchy under one leader.  The question is, "Who leads and mentors you?"  Once under the headship of your leader.... you will likely, because of the amount of influence they have over you,  do what your leader suggests you do..  In the case of Warren, you might have never even met the man or read his book, and you might not know Driscoll either, but if your friend endorses them and is influenced by them, you might also allow them to have a degree of influence, over you.

Mark Driscoll heartily endorsed Rick Warren for the 2012 Resurgence Conference telling you and me how much Rick deserves to influence us.  He elaborated on all the accomplishments of Rick and told us how he is even named by a leading and influential magazine publication as "one of the 100 most influential human beings on the earth."  And wouldn't you know.... Rick Warren's topic, at the R12 conference was.... drumroll please.... (have you guessed it?)..... "Influence."  And speaking of influence, Rick is so influential, according to Driscoll, that "If you "google" Rick Warren, your computer will explode!"

Interestingly, all that you have to do to learn from Rick is buy a ticket to this Resurgence Conference so that Rick's influence can affect you... or is it infect?  Anyhow, there you could learn from him how to use your influence too, or rather, "How to Maximize Your Influence... For Jesus."

 (Apparently Jesus does not have enough on his own and needs to use some of yours.)

Have you ever wondered why John the Baptist 
said he must decrease.... (not increase... 
nor "maximize?")

Of course to learn from Rick and Mark, you must be able and willing to buy a ticket for this incredible opportunity to hear them speak, and one ticket will cost you $99.00.

Odd isn't it?  Have you ever read anything in 
scripture about pay a fee in order 
to hear the master, Jesus, speak?  

Yes, $99.00.  That equates to a lot of fish!  However, there will undoubtedly be a lot of resources you do not want to be without that these men will have for sale, books, DVD's ect... that you will want to share with your friends, so maybe you will want to bring your wallet with you.  And while you are packing, note that Mark Driscoll recommend you bring your ears.

 Driscoll tell the listing audience, "Come with ears to hear, and hear what he would have to say."

Well, that kinda sounds like Revelation 2:29.... Jesus speaking. 
Wait a minute!  Is Rick replacing Jesus?

Dricoll began his introduction of Rick telling us that Rick has something to teach us...." if we are humble enough" to learn it.  He says, this conference is something "you do not want to miss."

 Apparently.... since you must be "humble enough" to come and learn from Rick, it logically infers that those who are proud and arrogant do not come to learn... from Rick.  

 Are you humble enough?  
(BTW, Driscoll is using verbal manipulation.) 

Also by telling me what I want and do not want,
 Driscoll is certainly attempting to
 exercise influence over me by 
making my choice in the matter for me, 
instead of letting me decide for myself.
..

According to Driscoll, the "story" of Pastor Rick Warren, is really phenomenal.  Poor Rick, started out as a guy who was broke and wow, look at him.  Now he is a millionaire!  He tells us that Rick's story is an amazing rags-to-riches one but to be sure we do not think it is "all about money,"  Driscoll assures us that the influence Rick swaggers before our eyes, is "all about Jesus."  

Driscoll further plays up the reputation of Rick, swooning at how amazing it is that Rick not only "pastors" a mega- church, meets with presidential candidates and even brings them together under his roof, but he stops AIDS epidemics, writes New York Times Bestselling books, and to top all of that, Rick Warren..... (another drum roll please.) gives ninety percent of his income to his church and lives off of ten percent!  

Have you ever seen a more amazing feat of humility?

Driscoll also notes how amazing we should think Rick Warren is by telling us that Rick he has  "refunded" to his church, Saddleback Church in southern CA,  the entire 25 years of salary he was paid as pastor! Rick of course now tithes that ninety percent.... to this not for profit entity, and works solely as "a volunteer" for his church.

Aren't you impressed?

Subsequent to his "paying" the church back... 
it appears that Rick is now in no way indebted to the church,  
he paid them back EVERYTHING they...
 through their generous giving, (or was it tithing?) 
ever gave, (or was it paid?) to him!  
They instead are indebted to... or at least have 
the majority of projects funded by his contributions to them.  

And Rick, who no longer" has" to work
is free now to speak at conferences
 and charge you  money to come and see and hear...
 and be influenced by him.


"Listening is influencing with your ears. See James 1:19" -Rick Warren      


Let's be like a Berean and check out James 1:19.   What does it say about listening with your ears?

"Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath." KJV

Interesting.... nothing about influence there.  It says, "be swift to hear." Does it sometimes seem like Rick reads a completely different text?  Does he just make stuff up?  How on earth does he do it?  

 In May 2005, when Rick Warren first  introduced his P.E.A.C.E. plan to his church and to the world news about it was everywhere!  An article in the Christian Examiner reported on how Rick Warren, as he explained it, came to understand what to do with all his new found fame and fortune, due to the success of his best selling book, The Purpose Driven Life.  The Examiner reported:    
..."I prayed Lord, what do I do with this stewardship, this affluence, this influence.” Warren said the Lord  led him to Psalm 72. “It was clear,”.... “I’m to use my notoriety to help those throughout the world with no notoriety, the immigrant, the sick, the homeless, the hurt. For the next 25 years I’m focused on the rest of the world."       Rick Warren Enters 26th Year of Ministry with New Vision;‘Purpose’ Pastor Unveils Global Peace Plan By Christina M. Testa,             CHRISTIAN EXAMINER
So, and this according to Rick, God answered his request with Psalm 72. 
It was God who gave Rick the insight about  what he was supposed 
to do with all the  money from his God intended book. 

that was in 2005.  More recently, Rick was was publically interviewed by Piers Morgan.... and again he recounted once more the tale of Psalm 72.... about Solomon asking God for "influence"... "power,"and "fame." Rick told Piers:

"It sounds like the most self-centered prayer you can imagine. 'I want you to give me influence, give me power, give me - spread the fame of my name to every country,'... until you read the motivation behind it. And in it he says, So that the king may support the widow and orphan, defend the defenseless, release the depressed and prisoners.' Today he'd talk about all the margin.  See, he says care for the immigrant."-Rick Warren

Yes, Rick is right, praying for fame and power does seem a bit self-centered.  But Psalm 72 is not actually about Rick.  And how is it that it doesn't seem to matter to Rick or to God that "Solomon" prayed in a selfish manner?  God seems to have answered Solomon's "self-centered" prayer... (given him exactly what he asked for,) and Rick seems convinced and convincing to us that this is just great.

It would seem that the end, regardless of the approach, justifies the means.  as we can see here, Solomon had good intentions, to help the poor.... so, God seeing that blessed him!

 But....did Solomon really ask God to make him famous, give him a fortune of money?
And did God respond to Solomon's bold, "self-centered "request for funds?   

No.


No such thing.
(And I am not even a "pastor.")

Stories of this kind, by Rick, are told and retold.  Sometimes they are retold by Rick and sometimes by other pastors who are unduly influenced by Rick.  Rick himself, has retold this story time after time.  He told the "life-changing "story pf Psalm 72 another time at a global gathering of influential people conferring about research and ideas, science and culture, called, TED:

"Being a Pastor I started reading the Bible.  There's a chapter called Psalm 72 and it's Solomon's prayer for more influence. When you read this prayer, it sounds incredibly selfish, self centered.  It sounds like he says, "God I want you to make me famous."  That is what he prays. He says, " I want you to make me famous, I want you to spread the fame of my name through every land. I want you to give me power.  I want you to ...." - Rick Warren 
Sorry to interrupt. 

Odd. And did you know, have you EVER read, that 
Solomon demanded anything from God or even 
asked God for things in this frame of spirit?  Did he demand 
(tell God, "I want,") of God for fame and power?"

In 1 Kings 3, Solomon asks God for 
something quite different.
Why didn't Pastor Rick use this as
 an example of "Solomon's prayer?"

Perhaps Rick Warren has amnesia, or some other strange side effect of "influence-a?"

Also, Psalm  72  is a Messianic Psalm
written by or for "Solomon"
and it is ultimately about the Messiah.
It is not about Rick Warren.

Sorry this post is so long, but would you believe, yet another time Rick Warren spoke about Psalm 72.  This time it was on a forum for thinkers, movers and shakers, you know, influential people.... those  considered "experts" in their various but highly specified areas of interest, called,  Big Think.  Warren related his amazing story once again, saying,
 "Solomon was the wisest man of the world, the wealthiest man in the world. He was the King of Israel in Israel’s apex in history. The divided kingdom; it was the kingdom that was the most expanded ever in history. And in that prayer Solomon says, “God, I want you to make me rich.” Not rich, he said, “I want you to make me famous. I want you to give me power. I want you to bless me. I want you to spread the fame of my name to many countries.”

"And it sounds very self-centered until you read why. And in that he says, “So that the king may support the widow and orphan; defend the defenseless; speak up for the oppressed; care for the immigrant, the foreigner.”  -Rick Warren   
                                                                                           Big Think Transcript, What Is A Reverse Tithe? Dec. 2007

Let's look at  that now famous Psalm 72 (KJV) and see what it says.

"1 Give the king thy judgments, O God, and thy righteousness unto the king's son.
 2 He shall judge thy people with righteousness, and thy poor with judgment.
 3 The mountains shall bring peace to the people, and the little hills, by righteousness.
 4 He shall judge the poor of the people, he shall save the children of the needy, and shall break in       
      pieces the oppressor
 5 They shall fear thee as long as the sun and moon endure, throughout all generations.
 6 He shall come down like rain upon the mown grass: as showers that water the earth.
 7 In his days shall the righteous flourish; and abundance of peace so long as the moon endureth.
 8 He shall have dominion also from sea to sea, and from the river unto the ends of the earth.
 9 They that dwell in the wilderness shall bow before him; and his enemies shall lick the dust.
10 The kings of Tarshish and of the isles shall bring presents: the kings of Sheba and Seba shall offer 
       gifts.
11 Yea, all kings shall fall down before him: all nations shall serve him.
12 For he shall deliver the needy when he crieth; the poor also, and him that hath no helper.
13 He shall spare the poor and needy, and shall save the souls of the needy.
14 He shall redeem their soul from deceit and violence: and precious shall their blood be in his sight.
15 And he shall live, and to him shall be given of the gold of Sheba: prayer also shall be made for him 
      continually; and daily shall he be praised.
16 There shall be an handful of corn in the earth upon the top of the mountains; the fruit thereof shall 
      shake like Lebanon: and they of the city shall flourish like grass of the earth.
17 His name shall endure for ever: his name shall be continued as long as the sun: and men shall be 
      blessed in him: all nations shall call him blessed.
18 Blessed be the Lord God, the God of Israel, who only doeth wondrous things.
19 And blessed be his glorious name for ever: and let the whole earth be filled with his glory; 
      Amen, and Amen.
20 The prayers of David the son of Jesse are ended."


Does Solomon make any demands to God saying, "“God, I want you to make me rich,” or "I want you to make me powerful"?

Does Solomon make proclamation about himself doing all these "wondrous things" or of his name being famous, people praying to him?  

No.

Something is odd about Rick's Psalm 72 presentation, it looks viral.

Thursday, March 1, 2012

Picture It!

"The picture-it method of Bible study is useful because the Bible is full of stories.  In this method, you put yourself into the scene of a biblical story as if you are an active participant.  Then you ask yourself, "How would I feel if I were involved in this situation?  hat would I say?  What would I do"  When you do this, God's Word becomes flesh in your life, and it'll change your life."
Rick Warren... @ purposedriven.com

Is this how" God's Word becomes flesh?"
Really?


According to Rick Warren it is.
Apparently, this idea of the Word of God  "becoming flesh"
  is about you putting yourself into the stories in the scriptures,
 (any of them you like.)

Remarkable.   

 I mean, considering that Jesus is the very Word of God,
 and that as such he was born into humanity as a man 
and that he died upon a cross for the sin of of humanity, and rose again...
 it is quite remarkable that a "Christian pastor"
 would teach this about the word of God becoming flesh in you
by you simply imagining yourself in the story, any story, in the text.  It is as if he is teaching that 
our flesh and blood can somehow attain to the kingdom of God, 
which is not the way it is at all.

It is as if he simply made up this so-called "method" of meditation
 and is instructing both Christians and would-be Christians,
 to believe it as he tells and instructs his hearers to 
 imagine themselves in the Bible's stories 
and tells them that this is how the Word becomes flesh.

This is not true.  Jesus is the word made flesh.  Not you.

He says, "...That's a truth that you can apply today--all because you stepped into the words of scripture and let it become "flesh" in your life.  You can do this with any character in the story or any story in the Bile.  It'll change how you read your Bible."
Rick Warren


Yes, Rick Warren, ( the change agent,) wants to" change " how you think , PERIOD.
Wherefore previously you might have thought (or been taught or even taught others) 
 that Jesus was the Word made flesh as it reads in this chapter of John...
he would like you to think otherwise...
and have you  imagine yourself
 as that Word of God, made flesh.

Strange.

If you listen to Rick, then soon you will be using,( rather than believing) the Bible,
and using it to exalt yourself into higher realms of consciousness....
 or at least imagine yourself  there, and instead of believing the bible is about Jesus, 
 you will believe that the Bible is not only all about YOU, but simply a nice
 collection of stories to be used for your own daily
  imagination/meditation exercises into higher realms of consciousness.... 
(remember those breath-prayers.)
 Before long, you will be just like Jesus, imagine yourself as God and 
 falsely believe you are the word of God in your flesh.

  He has an acronym for it too...

Space Pets?
This notion and term comes from the Rick Warren Bible Study Methods Book, 
subtitled, Twelve Ways You Can Unlock God's Word.
He is using it in his 40 Days in the Word study too.

Is it really up to you to do the unlocking?
Is God's word hidden from you?
  The premise of Rick, after all, is that you use his "method"
to "unlock" what is locked up.

Odd.... 
You see, God gives wisdom like he gives grace... freely to all who ask.

God is also in the business, you might say of revealing himself, truth, his Word,
 his Son, and even "mysteries" to those who simply ask,or seek, or knock.  
(Matthew 7:7)

Not only that but the apostles have set forth
 the truth and the scriptures quite plainly...
preached to the whole world and even 
written the Bible  in nearly every language ever spoken by man.
Yet, Rick sells this "Picture-It" method
 of "meditation" as a key,( one of many) to unlock God's Word
 as something biblical.

 In essences though, "Picture It" is just another form of what is known as guided meditation... 
where you visualizing things you imagine in your mind's eye...
and place yourself into the scenario prescribed by you or by someone else.
It is a "spiritual," exeercise, perhaps,
 but quite contrary to simply hearing the Word 
and  reasoning and thinking as a
 human; reading, hearing and understanding
 what the scriptures say and knowing they are real.
and right, and true and good....
 not imaginary or  imagined.

They are historical and real... as is his salvation of mankind through the Word made flesh, Jesus Christ.

Which reminds me of a verse:
2 Corinthians 4: 1-5
Therefore seeing we have this ministry,
 as we have received mercy, we faint not;
 But have renounced the hidden things 
of dishonesty,
 not walking in craftiness,
 nor handling the word of God deceitfully;
 but by manifestation of the truth 
commending ourselves to every man's conscience 
in the sight of God.
But if our gospel be hid,
 it is hid to them that are lost: 
In whom the god of this world 
hath blinded the minds 
of them which believe not,
 lest the light of the glorious gospel
 of Christ, who is the image of God, 
should shine unto them.

  For we preach not ourselves, (or our own books and Bible Study methods)
but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves
 your servants for Jesus' sake.



Thursday, March 10, 2011

Radical Talk About Radicalis Part 1

“There are two reasons that nonbelievers 
don’t know Jesus Christ.
One is, they’ve never met a Christian. 
The other is, they have.” ~Rick Warren
Spoken at the Radicalis Conference, Saddleback Church, CA
Source: Rick Warren Urges Pastors to Say Radical 'Yes' to God  
By Eryn Sun, Christian Post, Feb 21, 2011

This is some "radical" talk at the Radicalis Conference by Radical Rick Warren.  After all, this is "America's Pastor" speaking to Christians, these are the words of the same fact and figures man who reported enthusiastically,   
"Did you know that every day 60,000 new people 
come to believe in Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior? 
By the end of today, thousands of new churches
will be started throughout the world, and that will 
happen tomorrow and the next day and the next." ~Rick Warren
The Church – the greatest force on Earth  By Rick Warren  Ministry Toolbox #237, 12-14-2006
 
After reading about (or hearing) these words spoken by Pastor Rick at Radicalis, you might ask yourself.... if Rick is just trying to be funny for his audience by saying such a thing.  You might ask yourself.... if he just trying to get a laugh, or maybe make a point.  After thinking about it, you might come to the conclusion that such a comment as this is not very funny, nor is it true, (to say the least.) It does tend to make a point though, and a rude one at that.  Such words are incomprehensible coming from a Christian pastor, speaking in regards to the church, the bride of Christ.

So, why is media-approved, Purpose Driven, man of the hour, Rick Warren, talking about "Christians" as if they are the worse kind of people you would ever meet?
  
 Surely, if you  are influenced by the words of Rick, he could have you thinking just like him in no time at all.... believing that "Christianity" is a major failure... dying, going nowhere, FAST! --needing to be changed by you and little ol' "Radical for Jesus," "change agent," "pastor" Rick.  Infected by his comments, ready to be a "radical" leader just like Rick (and Jesus,) in no time at all, you will be thinking "healthy" thoughts.  Then you will be climbing aboard his Saddleback PEACE train, helping him rid the world of the evil scourge of the impoverished of society and those "unhealthy pastors..."  (you know, " who have never been to seminary? ".... which he claims is... like disease, ) one of the five "largest problems" (evil giants) in the world!

Quaint... isn't it?  The man is a genius with his words.  He is quite certain, and will work real heard to convince anyone, that they would rather be a "healthy" Christian, than one of THOSE. 

The most amazing thing is to see how both fresh water and salt water pour forth in his words; his talk, as you can judge for yourself,  is quite incongruous.   Quite frankly, his Christian directed, hateful comments about Christians and Christianity, simply should not be coming from the mouth of someone who is supposed to be a shepherd of the flock of God.  His actions leave one to ascertain that there is something strangely brackish, going on.  So, according to Rick, are new people coming to faith in Jesus Christ everyday or is the church inept and totally defunct?  

Rick Warren cannot seem to make up his mind. Either that, or he says what he say, "on purpose;" after all he is a man of "intention" to the utmost degree.  He is,  you know, "Purpose Driven."  It is possible he is simply double minded... or maybe he has no idea what it is he is saying, when he makes statements like these... but it could also be that he selects his words carefully, craftily, on purpose,simply in order to manipulate a crowd, sway them to his own way of thinking.

According to the Orange County Register, (OCR0,  reporting on the Radicalis Conference,
Rick also told his audience, he wants to "draw out those who want to say ‘yes’ to God in a "radical" way.” (Apparently, making people feel special, better, more radical than most, "draws them out.") The OCR also reported Rick as saying, “We decided we want to be distinctly different. We want to be radical. We want to go back to the roots."   

What roots? Is Rick interested in being "fundamental?"  (To investigate further, read this.
Myth of the Mega Church, A transcript of the Faith Angle Conference, article on file at Pew Forum. )

Here is the Radicalis (a... back to the roots"" conference...) advertisement:



And here is the Radical Declaration:(<----read it in it's entirety here)
 
Parts of it say,
" I’m going God’s way. There is no turning back. I will live the rest of my life serving God’s purposes, with God’s people, on God’s planet, for God’s glory...."






"...I am a radical in the original sense of the word: rooted in Christ, rooted in love, and rooted in his Word."






If you believe everything Rick says, you might believe that being "rooted in Christ " "rooted in his (God's) Word" has something to do with the radicalis roots, but if this is the case. why do we read in his bestselling book, The Purpose Driven Life, on page 231:

The last thing many believers need today 
is to go to another Bible study. They already know far more
than they are putting into practice.”?

And, why does he tell people at his Radicalis conference, 


 "There are two reasons that nonbelievers
don’t know Jesus Christ. one is,
they’ve never met a Christian...   
The other is, they have.”?


 And what does he mean by being rooted in the "original sense of the word"..."RADICAL?"

Perhaps you's think that he meant he was getting back to the fundamentals of the faitn, except that Rick, despite his "declarations" and member covenants" is really not into creeds.  Besides, in an article by USA Today writer, Cathy Lynn Grossman titled, Saddleback founder Warren driven to expand his reach, Rick Warren himself denied he was a fundamentalist, saying, "What I am not is a fundamentalist. You become a fundamentalist when you stop listening. There are all kinds of fundamentalists," (he said this, listing Christian, Muslim, Jewish, atheist, even secular forms of "fundamentalism")  then said, "I don't happen to agree with any of them."

None of them?  Really Rick?  

Such comments leaves some people in your audience to wonder what fundamental root it is that you are talking about when you tell us that you want to go back to the roots as you promote "Radicalis."






























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What "roots" would this be?


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ROOTS?  How RADICAL?


RADICAL    RADICAL   RADICAL  RADICAL   


The words...  
the colors, the font....   
are strangely reminiscent of other well-known radicals.... but perhaps it is just a coincidence?













 Perhaps it is nothing but a fluke?

But if it is just a fluke, then why did Warren choose Lenin, Stalin and Mao as examples of great leadership on that Easter Sunday at Angels Stadium on April 17, 2005...asking his congregation for their radical commitment to his own leadesrhip in the global spiritual revolution he was spearheading. 


He even mentioned Hitler.

"If positive Christianity means love of one's neighbour, i.e. the tending of the sick, 
the clothing of the poor, the feeding of the hungry, 
the giving of drink to those who are thirsty,
then it is we who are the more positive Christians. 
For in these spheres the community of the people of
National Socialist Germany has accomplished a prodigious work. " 
~Adolf Hitler, speech to the "Old Guard" at Munich, 24 February 1939
He then had people in the audience hold up pre-made signs with letters against a red background, that read, "Whatever it takes."